ʻO ke kūkākūkā a Irving Bieber a me Robert Spitzer

ʻO 15 Kekemapa 1973 Ka Papa Hoʻonaʻi o ka ʻAmelika Psychiatric ʻAmelika, e hoʻopiʻi ana i ka hoʻomau mau ʻana o ka pūʻulu kāne homoseksual group, apono i kahi hoʻololi i nā kulekele mana no ka maʻi psychiatric. "ʻO ka homosexuality e like me," i koho ʻia nā mea paulele, ʻaʻole e ʻike hou ʻia he "maʻi noʻonoʻo"; akā, i mea e wehewehe ʻia ka "hōʻino o ka hana moʻo hewa". 

ʻO Robert Spitzer, MD, he loea kōkua o ka psychiatry clinical ma ke Kulanui ʻo Columbia a me kahi lālā o ke kōmike nomenclature APA, a ʻo Irving Bieber, MD, he polofesa lapaʻau no ka psychiatry ma ke Kulanui Lapaʻau ʻo New York a he luna hoʻomalu o ke kōmike hoʻopaʻa haʻawina no ka male kāne kāne, ua kūkākūkā i kā APA hoʻoholo. He aha ka mea i hōʻemi ʻia o kā lākou kūkā kamaʻilio ʻana.

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Nā kī nui o ke kūkākūkā:

1) ʻO ka wahine ʻo homosexuality per se ʻaʻole i hoʻokō i nā kūlike no ka maʻi o ka noʻonoʻo, no ka mea ʻaʻole i launa pū ʻia e ka ʻeha a me nā maʻi maʻamau o ka hana ʻana o ka nohona, akā ʻaʻole naʻe ke ʻano o ka homosexuality ma ke ʻano he maʻamau a piha i ka heterosexuality.

2) Ua kīnā nā kānaka āpau i ka holomua heterosexual maʻamau ma muli o ka makaʻu e pale i ka hoʻomohala ʻana i ka hana moekolohe. Hana ka homosexuality DSM i ke ʻano like o ka frigidity, ʻoiai ke frigidity ka mea ʻaki hoʻi i ka hana moekolohe i hoʻokumu ʻia e ka makaʻu. 

3) Wahi a ka wehewehe hou, ʻo nā kāne kāne "egodystonic" wale nō i hauʻoli ʻole i ko lākou kūlana e ʻike ʻia. ʻO ka demarcation ma waena o ʻelua ʻano o ka homosexuality, i ka wā i ʻōlelo ʻia ai ka homosexual loa traumatized he olakino ʻo ia, a ʻo ka mea liʻiliʻi loa i traumatized, ka mea e mālama i ka hiki ke hoʻihoʻi i kāna heterosexuality, ua haʻi ʻia ʻo ia he maʻi - he mea lapuwale.

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Kauka Spitzer: Ke hoʻokokoke nei i ka nīnau inā he maʻi noʻonoʻo ʻole ka homosexual a ʻaʻole paha, pono mākou i kekahi mau pae o ka maʻi noʻonoʻo a i ʻole ka maʻi. Wahi a kaʻu mau manaʻo hoʻohālikelike, pono i kahi kūlana e hana i nā haunaele kumuhana a hoʻopili mau ʻia paha me kekahi hōʻino maʻamau o ka hana kaiaulu a i ʻole ka hana ʻana. He maopopo ia ʻaʻole pili ka homosexuality iā ia iho i kēia mau koi: ua māʻona nā homosexuals he nui me kā lākou moekolohe a ʻaʻole hōʻike i nā hana maʻamau āpau. 

Inā kū ʻole ka homosexuality i nā pae hoʻohālikelike no kahi maʻi noʻonoʻo, he aha ia? Hoʻohālikelike, hiki iā mākou ke ʻōlelo he ʻano kolohe kēia. Eia nō naʻe, ma ka noʻonoʻo ʻole ʻana i ka moekolohe ma ke ʻano he maʻi noʻonoʻo, ʻaʻole mākou e ʻōlelo nei he mea maʻamau a he waiwai paha e like me ka heterosexuality. Pono mākou e ʻae i ka hihia o nā homosexual e hopohopo a hauʻoli ʻole paha i ko lākou ʻano homosexual, ke hana nei mākou i kahi maʻi noʻonoʻo, no ka mea aia kahi maʻi kumuhana ma aneʻi. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻO ka mea mua, e wehewehe kākou i nā huaʻōlelo a ʻaʻole hoʻohana i ka "maʻi" a me ka "disorder". Ma ka manaʻo kaulana, ʻo ka maʻi noʻonoʻo ʻo ia ka psychosis. ʻAʻole wau i manaʻo he maʻi noʻonoʻo ka male kāne ma ia ʻano. E pili ana i nā pono kīvila, kākoʻo piha au i nā pono kīvila a pau no nā kāne kāne. ʻOiai ke ʻano o ka hoʻokō ʻia ʻana o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ka moekolohe i loko o ke kanaka makua, he mea pilikino ka moe kolohe ma waena o nā mākua ʻae. 

ʻO kā mākou nīnau nui: ʻo ka moekolohe ka mana maʻamau o ka moekolohe e ulu e like me ka lima hema i kekahi mau kānaka, a i ʻole he hōʻailona paha i kekahi ʻano o ka maʻi hoʻomohala kolohe? ʻAʻohe oʻu kānalua i ka hele ʻana o kēlā me kēia kāne kāne i ka wā mua o ka ulu ʻana o ka heterosexual ma mua, a ua loaʻa i nā kāne kāne āpau ka hoʻohaunaele i ka ulu maʻamau heterosexual maʻamau ma muli o nā makaʻu e hoʻonāukiuki a kāohi i ka ulu ʻana o ka hana moekolohe. Hoʻololi homosexual adaptation kumukanawai. 

Makemake wau e hāʻawi iā ʻoe i ka hoʻohālikelike. Me ka poliomyelitis, loaʻa i ke kanaka ka helu o nā hopena traumatic. Ua lolo loa kekahi mau keiki a ʻaʻole hiki ke hele wāwae. Hiki i nā poʻe ʻē aʻe ke hele wāwae me nā mea paʻa, a ʻo nā mea ʻē aʻe e lawa nā mākala e hoʻoponopono hou a hele wāwae iā lākou iho. I ke kāne makua kāne kāne, hōʻino ʻia ka hana heterosexual i ke ala like me ka hele ʻana i ka mea maʻi polio. ʻAʻole like ka hoʻohālikelike, ʻo ia wale nō ka trauma mai polio i hiki ʻole ke hoʻihoʻi ʻia.

He aha mākou e kapa aku ai? Ma muli oe e ʻōlelo ai he maʻamau kēia? ʻO kēlā kanaka ua ʻeha kona mau wāwae i ka polio he kanaka maʻamau, ʻoiai ʻaʻole ia he ikaika hou o ka polio. ʻO nā hopohopo i hoʻokumu i ka moekolohe a me ke kāohi ʻana a me ka naʻau, ʻaʻole ia i loko o kekahi ʻano o ka hoʻolālā psychiatric. 

Kauka Spitzer: Me he mea lā ʻaʻole manaʻo ʻo Kauka Bieber i ka moekolohe e like me ka maʻi noʻonoʻo, makemake ʻo ia e hoʻokaʻawale iā ia i kahi ma waena. Inā pēlā, no ke aha i hauʻoli ʻole ʻo ia i ka hoʻoholo hou? ʻAʻole ia e ʻōlelo he mea maʻamau ka moekolohe. ʻLelo wale ia ʻaʻole hoʻokō ka homosexuality i nā pae hoʻohālikelike no ka maʻi noʻonoʻo a maʻi paha. Akā ma mua o ka pane ʻana a Kauka Bieber i kēia nīnau, makemake wau e kuhikuhi i ka hapa nui o ka ʻōlelo āna e hoʻohana ai (ua hōʻino ʻia nā kāne kāne, aia kahi trauma) ʻo ia nā wehewehe ʻana a ka poʻe homosexual e hōʻole nei e ʻae. Ke koi nei nā homosexual ʻaʻole makemake lākou e ʻike iā lākou iho i kēia ala.

ʻO ke kumu i hāpai ʻia ai kēia noi hou e nā kōmole APA ʻekolu, a ma hope, ua ʻae ʻia e ka Papa Kuhina no ka mea, ua pio kā APA e kekahi mau mea hoʻonāukiuki a i ʻole nā ​​kāne hūnā. Manaʻo mākou e hoʻomau e mālama i nā manawa. ʻO ka psychiatry, ua manaʻo ʻia i ka wangu o ke neʻe e hoʻokuʻu i nā kānaka mai ko lākou mau pilikia, ua ʻike ʻia e nā mea he nui, a me kekahi ʻano hōʻoia, ʻo ia ka mea i hoʻolako ʻia e hoʻokele. No laila, kūpono ʻole kēlā iaʻu ʻaʻole e hōʻailona i ka pilikia o ka noʻonoʻo i kēlā poʻe a maona, ʻaʻole i hakakā me ko lākou moe kolohe.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole wau i ʻōlelo he maʻi maʻi ka maʻi male. Eia nō naʻe, ke kuhikuhi nei ʻo DSM Diagnostic for Mental Disriers i nā kūlana ʻē aʻe i kū ʻole i ka wehewehe ʻana o Dr. Spitzer, ʻaʻole wau e nānā i ka pilikia o ka noʻonoʻo, e like me ka voyeurism a me fetishism. 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻole au i nānā nui e like me kā Kauka Bieber i nā pilikia o ka voyeurism a me ka fetishism, no ka mea ʻaʻole i hōʻuluʻulu paha nā voyeurs a me nā fetishist iā mākou e hana pēlā. Akā he mea ʻoiaʻiʻo aia kekahi mau kumu ʻē aʻe, a he hiki pū paha ke hoʻopili ʻia me ka voyeurism a me ka fetishism e kū ʻole i nā pae hoʻohālikelike no nā maʻi noʻonoʻo. Kākoʻo pū wau i ka loiloi o kēia mau mokuʻāina pū kekahi. 

Makemake wau e nīnau iā ʻoe: e kākoʻo paha ʻoe i ka hoʻohui ʻana i kahi kūlana o kahi kūlana haʻahaʻa a i ʻole ka celibacy i DSM?

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Inā ʻaʻole ʻike ka moe kanaka i ka moe kolohe, me ka ʻokoʻa o nā lālā o kekahi mau ʻoihana, e like me ke kahunapule, aia hea ia e pono ai? ʻAe, kākoʻo wau i kēlā. 

Kauka Spitzer: Kēia ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, hōʻike kēia i ka paʻakikī o kā mākou nīnau. ʻElua mau manaʻo o kahi kūlana psychiatric. Aia kekahi mau mea e like me aʻu, e manaʻo nei he ʻona ʻokoʻa iki kahi kokoke i ka lāʻau lapaʻau, aia nō kekahi poʻe e manaʻo nei i kekahi ʻano ʻona noʻonoʻo ʻole i hoʻokō i kekahi kūlana maʻamau o ka maikaʻi kūpono - fanaticism, racism, chauvinism, vegetarianism , asexuality - pono e hoʻohui ʻia i ka inoa inoa. 

Ma ka wehe ʻana i ka male kāne mai ka nomenclature, ʻaʻole mākou e ʻōlelo nei he mea maʻamau, akā ʻaʻole mākou e ʻōlelo he mea maʻamau. Ke manaʻoʻiʻo nei au ʻo ka "maʻamau" a me ka "maʻamau" ʻaʻole ia, ka ʻōlelo koʻikoʻi, nā huaʻōlelo psychiatric.

ʻO Dr. Bieber: He mea i kēia mea ke wehewehe.

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAe, pololei. ʻO ia ka ʻōlelo.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Ua ʻōlelo wau ma ka ʻepekema. Manaʻo wau ua hana wau i ka mea i manaʻo ʻia ma ke ʻano he kuleana lehulehu, aia wau ma ka mua o ka hakakā ʻana no nā kuleana kīwila i nā pono o nā kāne. Eia nō naʻe, kahi pilikia ʻē aʻe. He mau psychiatrist ko mākou. ʻO wau kekahi mea ʻepekema. ʻO ka mea mua, ʻaʻohe oʻu kānalua e hana nei ʻoe i kahi ʻepekema koʻikoʻi. ʻO ka lua, makemake wau i nā hopena i kēia mau keiki, a me ka pale pale āpau. Ua hiki iaʻu ke hoʻomaopopo i ka hui āpau no ke kāne male male i nā makahiki ʻelima, ʻeono, ʻehiku, ʻewalu mau makahiki. Inā hāʻawi ʻia ke kōkua olakino i kēia mau keiki, a me ko lākou mau mākua, a laila ʻaʻole lākou e lilo i ka moe i ka moe kolohe. 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻĀ, ma mua, ke kamaʻilio nei mākou e pili ana i ke kōkua ʻana, manaʻo wau he mea hoʻonaʻauao ʻole ʻole e haʻi ʻo ka helu o ka nui o nā kāne like ʻole e makemake ka kōkua. ʻO ka pilikia maoli ʻo ka nui o nā psychiatrists hiki ke kōkua i kēia poʻe poʻe he liʻiliʻi. A lōʻihi ke ʻano o ka hoʻāʻo ʻana. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole nā ​​mea pono. 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻole, mea nui. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Manaʻo ʻoe e pono i ka frigidity ma DSM? 

Kauka Spitzer: E ʻōlelo wau, inā he hōʻailona ia o ka hopohopo, a laila ʻae. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻO ia, inā huhū ka wahine, akā ʻaʻole huhū i kēia, a laila ... 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻohe ona maʻi noʻonoʻo noʻonoʻo. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: No laila no ka frigidity āu e makemake ai e hoʻopuka i nā papa ʻelua? ʻO nā mea āpau e palupalu, nā mea e hōʻeha ai, ʻaʻole? 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻole, ʻaʻole wau he maopopo. Manaʻo wau he ʻokoʻa. Me ka frigidity, hana kūlohelohe pinepine a hiki i ka waiho ʻole o kāna hana i manaʻo ʻia. ʻOkoʻa kēia i nā homosexuality. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻO kaʻu kuhi: ʻo ia i ka DSM o kēia manawa, aia nā kūlana i maopopo ʻole ʻaʻole pilikia o ka noʻonoʻo. ʻAʻole wau e noʻonoʻo i ka homosexuality he maʻi noʻonoʻo a ʻano noʻonoʻo paha i kēia hoʻohui. Eia nō naʻe, manaʻo wau he mea ia i ka hōʻino no ka hana moekolohe, kahi i hoʻokomo ʻia e ka makaʻu naʻau. Hana ka homosexuality DSM i ke ala like me ka frigidity, no ka mea, ʻo ka frigidity ua hōʻino pū kekahi i ka hana pilikino i kumu ʻia e ka makaʻu. 

Lunahooponopono: He aha ka hopena o ka homosexuality i kahi maʻi noʻonoʻo i ka DSM a i ʻole? 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻO kēia, ʻoiaʻiʻo, he hopena maoli loa i ka hoʻomaʻamaʻa psychiatric. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻohe kānalua he paʻakikī i nā psychiatrists he nui i mālama i ka poʻe homosolo wahine i ʻimi i ke kōkua no nā kūlana ʻē aʻe ma kahi o kā lāua pelekane.

Hoʻomanaʻo wau i ka hele ʻana mai o kahi kāne like ʻole iaʻu, i kekahi mau makahiki i hala aku nei, ka mea i lilo i mea kaumaha ma hope o ka uhai ʻana o kāna mea aloha. Ua wehewehe ʻo ia iaʻu ʻaʻole makemake ʻo ia e pili i kāna kīloʻohana. Ua haʻi wau iā ia ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke hana wale i kahi ʻāpana o kona kūlana, ʻoiai ua manaʻo wau ua hoʻopili ʻia kona mau pilikia me kāna male. 

Manaʻo wau he nui nā kāne pelekane i koho ʻole e ʻimi aku i ke kōkua psychiatric ma muli o ka hopohopo e lele ʻia ko lākou male. E hōʻoluʻolu kēia loli i ka mālamaʻana i nā kāne like ʻole i ka wā e makemake ai lākou i ka mālama ʻana, akā ʻaʻole ʻoe e hopohopo i ko lākou kāne. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Ke wehewehe nei au i ka mea maʻi e lilo ia i ka heterosexual a i ʻole ka mea pelekane, a ʻo kāna mea e hana ai me ke ola sex kona hoʻoholo. ʻO kaʻu hana ke kōkua iā ia e hoʻoponopono i nā nui o kāna mau pilikia e hiki ai. No laila, eia hou mākou e kahakaha i kahi laina ma waena o kahi ʻano ʻepekema a me nā pahuhopu utilitarian, inā lākou e pili ana i ka nohona, politika a i ʻole e huki ana i nā mea maʻi hou aku. 

Kauka Spitzer: Makemake wau e haʻi aku iā Freud, i ka makahiki 1935, e pane ana i kahi leka mai kahi makuahine pelekane, e ʻōlelo i kēia: "Ua hoʻomaopopo wau i kāu palapala mai kāu keiki he mau kāne like ʻole. ʻO ka male ʻole ke kala ʻole he maikaʻi ia, ʻaʻole hoʻi he kumu no ka hilahila, a i ʻole he kuhikou a me ka hōʻino paha. ʻAʻole hiki ke helu ʻia he maʻi. Manaʻo mākou he ʻano ʻano like ʻole kēia o nā hana i hana ʻia e kekahi paʻa i ka ulu ʻana i ka moekolohe. " He aha nā kumu āu i ʻae ʻole ai i ka manaʻo o Freud he maʻi ʻole ka male? A i kēia manawa ʻaʻole ʻoe e noʻonoʻo ʻoe he maʻi? 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole au i ʻōlelo he maʻi ia. E hāʻawi wau iā ʻoe i ka wehewehe o ka hana: ʻo ka moekolohe kāne makua ka hana repetitive a makemake ʻia paha i waena o nā lālā o ka wahine like, kaʻi ʻia e ka makaʻu. 

Kauka Spitzer: Manaʻo wau he nui nā poʻe i kā mākou ʻoihana e ʻae e kāhea ka ʻōlelo a Kauka Bieber e pili paha i kekahi o nā kāne. Akā paʻakikī mākou e manaʻo e pili kēia i nā kāne like ʻole - i kēia manawa a i ʻole nā ​​moʻomeheu ʻē aʻe, e like me Greece Greece, kahi i hoʻokumu ʻia i kahi homosexuality.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Manaʻo wau noi i ka ʻike loea i loko o ka hoʻolālā o ka moʻomeheu o nā ao hou. ʻO nā mea āpau aʻu e ʻōlelo nei e pili ana i kā mākou moʻomeheu i kēia manawa. Ua hiki iaʻu ke haʻi iā ʻoe i kekahi nui o nā moʻomeheu i ka ʻike ʻole ʻia. Kekahi mea, ma Israeli ʻo kibbutzim ua aneane pau loa. 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻO kēia kūkākūkā paha e pili ana he maʻi paha ka male. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole ʻo ia i kāna. 

Kauka Spitzer: Makemake ʻo Dr. Bieber e wehewehe i ka male. E ʻae aku ana ʻo APA iā ia ʻaʻole he maʻi kēia, akā ʻaʻole ia e haʻi mai i ka mea. 

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻohe ʻole wau ʻo APA. Mai ka helu hou ʻana o ka APA, ka mea e koho ai ka homosexuality he koho maʻamau, ka mea like me ka heterosexuality. Ke ʻōlelo nei wau ʻo ka male i ka pelekane he maʻi psychiatric i kahi hana, a me kāna wahi ma nā alakaʻi āpau i psychiatry. ʻAʻole kēia he manaʻo ke manaʻo nei au i kahi maʻi ʻoi aku ka maʻi male ma mua o koʻu noʻonoʻo ʻana i ka maʻi frigidity. Akā ʻoiai he mea e like me ka frigidity i ke alakaʻi i waena o nā pilikia o ka hana moʻoʻana o ka moekolohe, pono ʻo ka mea ʻo ka homosexuality. A e hoʻokaʻawale i waena o nā ʻano ʻelua - e lawe i ka wahine ʻoi loa e hōʻeha ʻia, a ʻōlelo hoʻi ʻaʻole ia i loko o ka DSM, akā i ka mea liʻiliʻi loa i hōʻeha ʻia, ka mea i paʻa i ka hiki ʻana i kona ʻano heterosexuality, e hōʻike i ka maʻi hoʻokūkū pili - like ʻole ia iaʻu. 

Kauka Spitzer: ʻIa like ʻole ia iā ʻoe, no ka mea e like me kāu ʻōnaehana o pono, pono nā kānaka āpau.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Manaʻo ʻoe he "pūnaewele waiwai" kēia? Manaʻo wau e lilo nā kāne kāne a pau i kēia lā i heterosexuals? ʻAʻole naʻe. Nui nā kāne kāne, ʻelua hapakolu paha o lākou, ʻaʻole koho hou ka heterosexuality.

Kauka Spitzer: Akā inā e noho me ka manaʻo i ka hakahaka o ko lākou heterosexuality a pale paha?

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Inā makemake lākou e pololei, e ʻike lākou i kā lākou heterosexuality hopelessly traumatized.

Kauka Spitzer: ʻO ka ʻeha ua uku ʻia ʻo ia.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole ka waiwai i ka hōʻeha. ʻAʻole ka wāwae wāwae kahi waiwai.

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke hana i ka homosex, akā ʻaʻole wau e nānā he mea hōʻeha ia. ʻO ʻoe pū kekahi.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole pono kēia.

Kauka Spitzer: Manaʻo wau he. Wahi a nā manaʻo psychoanalytic, ua hele mai mākou i kēia ao me ka pelekane polymorphically pervert.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻAʻole wau e lawe i kēia.

Kauka Spitzer: Ua hōʻike ʻia ke aupuni holoholona no kā mākou hānau maoli ʻana me kahi pane kiʻi ʻole like ʻole. Ma muli o kahi ʻike, ʻoiai kekahi mau mea genetic hiki ke hana i ka nui, ʻo ka hapa nui o mākou e lilo i heterosexual, a lilo kekahi i hoʻohālike.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: ʻIke wau iā ʻoe, ʻoiai he mea pili ola lāʻau, hiki iā ia ke ʻōlelo i kēlā. ʻO kēlā me kēia mammal, ʻo kēlā me kēia holoholona, ​​kahi pānaʻi e pili ana i ka moe heterosexual, aia i nā hana ʻola e hōʻoiaʻiʻo ai i ka heterosexuality.

Kauka Spitzer: Eia naʻe, hiki i ka hiki ke pane ke ʻano he nui homosexual i loko o ke aupuni holoholona.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Pono ʻoe e wehewehe i ka "pane homosexual." Ma mua o ka hoʻomau ʻana, hiki iā kāua ke ʻae ʻaʻole he maʻi noʻonoʻo ka male kāne.

Lunahooponopono: He aha hoʻi kāu e ʻae ʻole ai?

Kauka Spitzer: ʻ,, ʻaʻole mākou i ʻae i ka ʻano e helu ʻia ai ka moʻomeheu, a pono iaʻu e haʻi ʻē aʻe e maʻalahi ana iaʻu e ʻōlelo pehea e ʻaʻole ʻia ai ʻo ka helu ʻia o ka mea pono. ʻAʻole wau e noʻonoʻo i ka moena like me ka maikaʻi e like me ka hoʻomohala heterosexual. Hoʻopiʻi wau me Freud e hoʻomaka ana kekahi mea i ka hoʻokumu ʻana o ka hana pilikino i alakaʻi i ka hiki ʻole a makaʻu ʻole ʻia i ka hana heterosexual. Akā, ʻaʻole wau makemake e hoʻohana i ka huaʻōlelo "pilikia" no ka nui o nā hopena i komo i loko.

Lunahooponopono: E ʻae mai iaʻu e nīnau i kahi nīnau hope loa: Pehea ʻoe e hoʻokaʻawale ai ma waena o kahi "maʻi" a me kahi "maʻi hoʻopalekana wahine"?

Kauka Spitzer: ʻAʻole au hoʻokae. Ua hoʻokumu ʻia ka ʻāpana "Sexual Orientation Disorder" no nā kāne kāne e hakakā nei me kā lākou male kāne. E noi paha kekahi o lākou i ke kōkua. Makemake paha kekahi e lilo i heterosexual, makemake paha kekahi e aʻo e noho me ko lākou male kāne a hoʻopau i ka hewa a lākou e manaʻo ai.

Kauka Dr. Bieber: Inā ʻaʻole e hiki i ka hana heterosexual i kahi kāne o nā kāne a pau, ʻaʻole wau makemake e noʻonoʻo iā ia ke hewa i kāna male. Makemake wau iā ia e hauʻoli.

Source: The New York Times, December 23, 1973

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